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Free 1 Day Conference
Foucault and Education: retrospect and prospect
29 January 2014,
ICOSS, University of Sheffield

conference website

Conveners: Ansgar Allen & Wilfred Carr; Keynotes: Erica Burman & Stephen Ball

Foucault and Education
Source: http://www.michel-foucault.com/gallery/pictures/foucaulta43.html

Call for Papers

This conference is free to delegates and places will be limited. Students and early career researchers are particularly welcome to attend and present papers, alongside more established academics.

Our first call for papers is Friday 20 September 2013. To submit an abstract, complete a Presentation Form.

You can also contact us to book a place at the conference by completing a Booking Form.

Abstracts and booking requests should be sent to Lindsey Farnsworth at: l.j.farnsworth@sheffield.ac.uk.

If you would like to discuss a presentation, please contact Ansgar Allen at: a.allen@sheffield.ac.uk.

Overview

This conference will critically review the extended impact of Michel Foucault on educational research. Educational researchers have made frequent use of Foucault’s ideas, concepts and perspectives. The common assumption that Foucault ‘would have something to say’ or that the Foucauldian perspective must have something to offer, has brought Foucault into the educational canon. This conference will examine the costs of this widespread adoption, for Foucault, his ethos, and for educational research.

Those ‘faithful’ to a Foucauldian ethos may, indeed, sense these dangers most acutely. This conference will ask whether those committed to a spirit of critique that retains its value only to the extent that it remains marginal, able to upset convention, common sense, and popular perception, might wish to reconsider their allegiances. Now that Foucault has become a mainstream educational theorist, is it finally time to Forget Foucault?

Focus

This conference will debate the continued relevance of Foucault. It will review educational work that takes Foucault as its point of departure addressing questions such as:

  • How have Foucault’s ideas been used?
  • What explains Foucault’s ‘success’ in the field of education?
  • Why has his work been so influential?
  • What effects has it had?
  • What does it mean to be faithful to Foucault?
  • Should we be faithful to the Foucauldian canon?
  • Is Foucault still relevant in the 21st century?

Schedule

The conference will be divided into two parts. Each part will begin with a short keynote presentation. These presentations will be followed by individual discussion papers, where each paper will consist of a 15-20 minute presentation followed by 15-20 minutes for discussion. The day will end with a panel discussion responding to the themes that have emerged throughout the day. Lunch and refreshments will be provided free of charge.

Morning

Retrospect: Foucault and Education

Keynote: Professor Stephen Ball, Institute of Education, University of London.

Afternoon

Prospect: Foucault in the 21st Century

Keynote: Professor Erica Burman, School of Education, University of Manchester.

Special Issue

Conference delegates will be invited to submit papers to a special issue of the international journal, Pedagogy, Culture & Society, provisionally titled ‘Foucault and Education: retrospect and prospect’, edited by Ansgar Allen and Wilfred Carr.

This conference is funded by the international journal Pedagogy, Culture and Society. It is affiliated to the Centre for the Study of Educational Development and Professional Lives at the University of Sheffield School of Education.

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uneActu099L’Actualité Poitou-Charentes n°99 : Michel Foucault, Moi, Pierre Rivière…

Le numéro 99, janvier, février et mars 2013, de L’Actualité Poitou-Charentes, la revue trimestrielle éditée par l’Espace Mendès France, vient de paraître.

Édito

Si Michel Foucault est au cœur de cette édition de L’Actualité, ce n’est pas le fait du hasard. Deux dossiers ont déjà été consacrés, en 2001 et en 2006, à ce philosophe de notoriété mondiale, que sa ville natale, Poitiers, a mis du temps à reconnaître. en appui à la semaine organisée en mars à Poitiers, ces pages visent à mettre en évidence de multiples pistes de savoir et de réflexion autour et à partir de Michel Foucault. Pluridisciplinarité et transversalité ne sont plus envisagées comme une nouvelle sophistication de la pensée. La séparation entre sciences exactes et sciences humaines n’est plus valide. La «fabrique» de la connaissance est en pleine mutation. Dans ce processus, le cloisonnement qui sépare l’académie de la culture n’a plus lieu d’être, au contraire, l’académie a désormais besoin de la culture. Pour donner du sens.

C’est grâce à la culture que l’on peut créer «l’écosystème» dans lequel il est possible de relier, de mettre en relation aussi bien des approches que des thématiques, de créer des relations entre des choses qui, en apparence, sont séparées. De partager, par la confrontation, par la controverse, mais aussi avec le plaisir d’être ensemble. Il faut sortir de l’ordre naturel des choses, créer des interactions pour saisir mais aussi entraîner du mouvement. mais cela ne fonctionne plus en vase clos, cet équilibre dynamique interagit avec la société. au-delà du partage du savoir, il est nécessaire de questionner les conditions même de ce savoir. D’apprendre à «problématiser», dirait Michel Foucault. Ainsi il s’agit de créer les conditions d’échange avec les citoyens pour aller plus loin. La connaissance se construit collectivement, solidairement.

Didier Moreau

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26 Dossier Michel Foucault

27 Subtile influence
Michelle Perrot évoque les relations du philosophe avec l’histoire et les historiens après la publication en 1975 de Surveiller et punir.

29  Le philosophe, la justice et la prison
Entretien avec Jean-Paul Jean, avocat général à la Cour de cassation, professeur associé à l’université de Poitiers, qui fut secrétaire général du syndicat de la magistrature de 1982 à 1986.

30  Le stimulant et le fédérateur
Avec le collectif F71, les textes de Michel Foucault se font théâtre, dans l’excitation et la joie de la pensée. À découvrir au TAP du 25 au 27 mars.

32 Le philosophe et la littérature
Michel Foucault a passé des étés à Vendeuvre-du-Poitou à écrire sur Raymond Roussel. Éclaircissements avec Jean-François Favreau.

34 Moi, Pierre Rivière
L’histoire d’un parricide, en 1835, de son mémoire rédigé en prison et de l’intérêt suscité par ce texte auprès de Michel Foucault.

36 Les paysans au cinéma
René Allio s’est emparé du dossier Pierre Rivière pour, cent cinquante ans après, en faire un film dans le pays du crime et avec les habitants. Un grand film, comme l’explique l’historienne Myriam Tsikounas.

40 Serrer la main de l’histoire
Gérard Mordillat se souvient des moments forts de l’expérience de Moi, Pierre Rivière… avec les gens du pays et le soutien de Michel Foucault.

42 Retour sur Allio
Pour dire ce qu’il doit à l’aventure de Moi, Pierre Rivière… avec les Normands et à René Allio, Nicolas Philibert a fait Retour en Normandie, qui est aussi un retour sur ses «propres fondations».

45  Carnets de René Allio
Des extraits des carnets de travail de René Allio lors de la préparation de son film Moi, Pierre Rivière…, transcrits par Annette Guillaumin.

46  À Saint-Stanislas avec Michel Foucault
Entretien sur l’atmosphère poitevine durant l’Occupation avec un camarade de classe de Michel Foucault, nommé Pierre Rivière.

47  Filmer la philosophie
Dans les années 1960, la télévision scolaire réalisait des programmes de philosophie avec les ténors de l’époque.

48  Culture scientifique

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Continuum: Journal of Media & Cultural Studies welcomes proposal submissions for Volume 29 (for publication in 2015). The journal editors are interested in proposals across the range of cultural and media studies, such as: the relationship between media texts and wider questions of culture; contemporary issues in popular culture and consumption; publics and nations; and the politics of gender, class and race. A guest edited issue of Continuum normally consists of up to 12 articles with a word count of no more than 70,000 words.

To submit a proposal please include:

* Title
* Abstract (400-500 words)
* Bio of Editors and Track record
* List of Contributors and affiliations
* Where possible abstracts of papers
* Desired delivered date to Continuum

Proposal due: 30th April 2013.

Please note this is an annual call. The next review of proposal submissions will be in 2014.

Please email the proposal to p.allmark@ecu.edu.au Dr Panizza Allmark, General Editor, Continuum: Journal of Media & Cultural Studies

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Foucault Studies is pleased to announce the publication of issue 15

A Special Issue on Foucault and Religion
guest edited by John McSweeney

Issue 15 also includes:

An interview with James Bernauer,

three original articles on the topics of parrhêsia, the US/Mexico border and the usefulness of Kant’s writings for Foucault’s genealogical efforts to free Western cultures from a scientia sexualis
eight book reviews
and a report from a workshop on Security as Dispositif

Foucault Studies is an electronic, open access, peer reviewed, international journal that provides a forum for scholarship engaging the intellectual legacy of Michel Foucault, interpreted in the broadest possible terms. We welcome submissions ranging from theoretical explications of Foucault’s work and texts to interdisciplinary engagements across various fields, to empirical studies of contemporary phenomena using Foucaultian approaches.

All articles are freely available as open access on our website:
www.foucault-studies.com

Please visit our website www.foucault-studies.com to sign up for E-alerts to receive news of CFP’s and new issues.

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Number 15: February 2013: Foucault and Religion


Table of Contents

Editorial
Sverre Raffnsøe, Alain Beaulieu, Sam Binkley, Patricia Clough, Jens Erik Kristensen, Sven Opitz, Jyoti Puri, Alan Rosenberg, Marius Gudmand-Høyer & Ditte Vilstrup Holm
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Special Issue on Foucault and Religion

Foucault and Religion – Guest Editors’ Introduction
        John McSweeney

Suspicion and Love
        Matthew Chrulew

Ambivalent Modernities: Foucault’s Iranian Writings Reconsidered
        Corey McCall

Rupture and Transformation: Foucault’s Concept of Spirituality Reconsidered
        Jeremy Carrette

Religion in the Web of Immanence: Foucault and Thinking Otherwise after the Death of God
        John McSweeney
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Interviews

A Conversation with James Bernauer
        Edward McGushin
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Articles

The Crossroads of Power: Michel Foucault and the US/Mexico Border Wall
        Thomas Nail

Philosophical Parrêsia and Transpolitical Freedom
        Ottavio Marzocca

Between Bodies and Pleasures: A Territory Without a Domain
        Laura Hengehold

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Toolbox

Security as Dispositif: Michel Foucault in the Field of Security
       Ricky Wichum

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Reviews

Anne Schwan & Stephen Shapiro, How to Read Foucault’s Discipline and Punish (London: Pluto Press, 2011)
        Max Rosenkrantz

Yunus Tuncel, Toward a Genealogy of Spectacle: Understanding Contemporary Spectacular Experiences (Ålborg: EyeCorner Press, 2011)
        Apple Zefelius Igrek

Timothy C. Campbell, Improper Life: Technology and Biopolitics from Heidegger to Agamben (Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2011)
        Daniel Skinner

James Miller, Examined Lives: From Socrates to Nietzsche (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2011)
        Craig Minogue

Herculine Barbin, Mes Souvenirs. Histoire d’Alexina/Abel B. (Paris: La cause des Livres, 2008)
        Andrea Rossi

Antonio Negri, The Labor of Job: The Biblical Text as a Parable of Human Labor (Durham & London: Duke University Press, 2009)
        Salvatore Cucchiara

Mari Ruti, The Summons of Love (New York: Columbia University Press, 2011)
        David Sigler

Laura Hengehold, The Body Problematic: Political Imagination in Kant and Foucault (University Park, Penn.; The Pennsylvania State University Press, 2007)
        Alexander I. Stingl

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Special Issue: Future Foucault: Afterlives of Bodies and Pleasures, South Atlantic Quarterly, Volume 111, Number 3, Summer 2012 Jacques Khalip, Special Issue Editor

Further info

Jacques Khalip, Introduction: Voir venir

Abstract
It has been more than twenty-five years since the death of Michel Foucault, one of the last century’s most crucial philosophers, as well as just as many years since the publication of the final two volumes of The History of Sexuality. Since then, an extraordinary body of interdisciplinary scholarship has emerged around the work of Foucault, with much attention focused on his writings on ethics, neoliberalism, governmentality, biopolitics, and war. The introduction considers notions of futurity, openness, and risk in Foucault’s thought and how such notions intersect with his various projects of relationality.

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COPERTINA I,2 (white80sb)
materiali foucaultiani
Volume I, number 2 (July-December 2012)
ISSN 2239-5962

See site for full texts of articles

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Un’immagine ci teneva prigionieri  (pp. 3-9)
Laura Cremonesi, Orazio Irrera, Daniele Lorenzini, Martina Tazzioli

Genealogie della razza e dei razzismi

Introduzione  (pp. 11-18)
Laura Cremonesi, Orazio Irrera, Daniele Lorenzini, Martina Tazzioli

Una lettura coloniale di Foucault. Corpi borghesi e sé razziali  (pp. 19-48)
Ann Laura Stoler

L’aveu (anti)colonial. Race et vérité dans les colonies: Fanon après Foucault  (pp. 49-68)
Matthieu Renault

Protection Displaced. The Racialization and Counter-Conduct of Vulnerability for Libyan War Refugees in Italy  (pp. 69-82)
Glenda Garelli

Foucault, Biopower and Psychiatric Racism  (pp. 83-106)
John Iliopoulos

For Blacks Only. Pharmaceuticals, Genetics, and the Racial Politics of Life  (pp. 107-135)
Jonathan Xavier Inda

Interviste
Il potere, i valori morali e l’intellettuale. Un’intervista con Michel Foucault  (pp. 137-144)
Michel Foucault

Volonté de vérité et pratique militante chez Michel Foucault  (pp. 145-157)
Daniel Defert

Retenons donc nos larmes. Riletture e polemiche intorno alla conferenza Che cos’è un autore? di Michel Foucault  (pp. 159-178)
Silvia Chiletti

Dissidenza e stile d’esistenza. La prospettiva della cura tra Jan Patočka e Michel Foucault  (pp. 179-204)
Caterina Croce

Michel Foucault e le immagini. Tre contributi per un’archeologia del figurativo  (pp. 205-221)
Marco Malandra

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Call for Papers: Architecture and Culture, vol. 1, issue 1/2

Further details on the Berg site

Architecture and Culture, the new international, peer-reviewed journal of the Architectural Humanities Research Association (AHRA), investigates the relationship between architecture and the culture that shapes and is shaped by it.

The inaugural double issue of the journal is entitled Discipline and Dissidence. Our aim is to investigate how the now expanded field of architecture is framed and understood as a discipline, what disciplining processes are at play, and what the cultural consequences are for its role of such strictures and how they shift. The issue is in two parts. One part focuses on ‘Discipline’, the other on ‘Dissidence’. Papers for the ‘Discipline’ part, addressing architecture’s disciplinarity, are solicited through this call. It is hoped that placing the two themes will agitate and elucidate both, in perhaps unexpected ways.

Discipline

Editors: Dr. Igea Troiani and Diana Periton

Architecture as a field of practice, knowledge, and education is broad in its scope and range of methods, both practical and theoretical. It has been called a ‘weak’ discipline because it integrates and yet depends upon many areas of knowledge. This was made explicit as early as the first century CE, when Vitruvius (1914, p. 5) wrote in The Ten Books on Architecture that ‘the architect should be equipped with knowledge of many branches of study and varied kinds of learning … knowledge [which] is the child of practice and of theory’. He lists drawing, geometry, history, philosophy, music, medicine, law, astronomy and astrology. Architects and students of architecture still engage with some of these, as well as more recently formed areas of study such as social science, geography, biology, linguistic theory and digital media.

Architecture has been disciplined, codified, and bounded in various ways since Vitruvius – socially, economically, politically, institutionally and professionally. Yet, despite its multi-faceted nature, it is defined by separation from other areas of expertise, both practical and academic. Each brings its own set of attitudes – has its own culture – so that to embrace more than one involves a willed effort of connection and understanding, and constant negotiations over common or uncommon definitions, scope, methods, practices, responsibilities.

Through this call, we seek papers that investigate the discipline and disciplining of architecture as effected in contemporary research, teaching, and practice. We call for explorations of the way in which architecture contributes to disciplining and the disciplines of culture. We invite rigorously speculative, purposively imaginative, visually and verbally stimulating contributions that explore disciplinarity through their own mode of argument – that combine text with sound or image (moving, cartoon or still), or that use text or image in investigative ways. We want to explore what an academic paper might be. To achieve our aim of expanding interdisciplinary knowledge of architecture and culture, we invite contributions from historians of architecture and culture, geographers, anthropologists and other social scientists, architects and urban designers, from film-makers, animators and other artists, thinkers and writers of all kinds.

Papers might address the following themes and questions:

- Integrity and unity

Borrowing from Michel Foucault‘s notion of epistemological unities in The Archaeology of Knowledge, what kind of unity or unities does architecture form, as a discipline? And by what or by whom is this unity defined? What constitute ‘discursive formations’ in architecture? Does the practice of architecture assume the same unities as its academic pursuit? Does culture at large perceive unities in architecture? Does a discipline that unites, or integrates multiple types of knowledge have its own integrity? Can the discipline be disaggregated into specialists and experts?

- Discipline, code, boundary

What are the critical edges, boundaries or essential codes of the discipline of architecture? How fixed, stretched, or porous are they and how have disputes over codes and boundaries shaped and transformed disciplinary understandings and practices? What constraints are necessary and/or productive? Does disciplinary coding and bounding inevitably engender shadow practices that are secret, illegal, illicit, dissidence? In both academia and practice, architecture is policed by its institutions so as to ensure codes of disciplinary practice are adhered to, and disciplining can take place if boundaries are breached; what does it mean to teach/research/practice within the coded and regulated academic and professional institutions of architecture and how are they policed? Who disciplines who and how? In what ways do teachers and practitioners encourage and facilitate ‘undisciplinary’ activity in architectural production?

- Multi/Inter/trans-disciplinarity

What might architectural research, teaching and design learn from the current increase in interest in creative trans-, multi- and interdisciplinary methodologies to contest boundaries of disciplines? Is blundering through other disciplines part of architecture’s strength, or merely dilettantism? What are critical interdependencies and dependencies of this ‘weak’ discipline? What new uncommon disciplines or media has architects/architectural researchers and teachers embraced in practice/research/teaching and to what end? Can trans-, multi- and interdisciplinary practice (theoretical or practical) positively expand the discipline of architecture and if so, how? When does a discipline dissolve or become unrecognisable as a palimpsest of many?

- Experiential

Is architecture viewed or experienced in the same way by academics, the profession, other disciplines and users at large? If not, in what way and to what end are its boundaries established by different groups? Do non-architects suffer from amnesia about most architecture they experience daily?

The submission deadline is 2nd April 2013, 5pm UK time. Accepted articles will be published in November 2013. Please contact Dr. Igea Troiani itroiani@brookes.ac.uk and Diana Periton for further details

For Author Guidelines, please see this site

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Bronwyn Davies, Jane Speedy, Who was Pierre Rivière? Introduction to the special issue, Emotion, Space and Society, Available online 22 April 2012

Further info
Table of contents for special issue

Abstract
Foucault’s (1975) edited book, I, Pierre Rivière, having slaughtered my mother, my sister and my brother… A case of parricide in the 19th century, includes the court documents and newspaper reports from the 1835 trial of Pierre Rivière, Pierre Rivière’s memoir written while in prison, and the “analytic notes” written by Foucault and his colleagues. Whereas the court focused on the question of whether Pierre Rivière was of sane mind or not, Foucault and his colleagues sought to avoid the closure that such categorical thinking invites the reader into. This paper introduces the story of Pierre Rivière, and opens up some of the questions to be addressed in this special issue. The papers examine the memoir, the accompanying documents, and Foucault’s and his colleagues’ take on them, and reopen discussion of the Pierre Rivière case and its contemporary twenty-first century relevance, using a combination of both philosophical ethnography and arts-based enquiry. These contemporary papers are based upon a series of interdisciplinary workshops and seminars that took place at the University of Bristol during 2010. In this introductory paper we ask what was the emotional geography of this young man who engaged in such an unthinkable act? And how did that geography intersect with the emotional geography of his village in France in 1835, and what does it still have to tell us about our own contemporary society?

Keywords
Pierre Rivière; Foucault, Parricide, Madness; Arts-based social science; Narrative enquiry

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Técnicas de poder y formas de vida: otras perspectivas en torno a la biopolítica, Special Issue Revista de Estudios Sociales, no. 43, 2012


Presentación

Laura Quintana y Carlos Manrique
Editorial
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Foucault’s Critique of Political Reason: Individualization and Totalization

Paolo Savoia
Dossier
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La palabra transgresiva y la otra vida: de la literatura al gesto cínico (entre Foucault y Raúl Gómez Jattin)

Carlos Manrique
Dossier
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De la subjetivación política. Althusser/Rancière/Foucault/Arendt/Deleuze

Etienne Tassin
Dossier
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Singularización política (Arendt) o subjetivación ética (Foucault): dos formas de interrupción frente a la administración de la vida

Laura Quintana
Dossier
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Sobre el concepto de antropotécnica en Peter Sloterdijk

Santiago Castro-Gómez
Dossier
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Poder, resistencia y dominación en las Américas esclavistas: apostillas a Michel Foucault (paradojas y aporías)

Agnes Lugo-Ortiz
Dossier
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La disposición del gobierno de la vida: acercamiento a la práctica biopolítica en Colombia

Zandra Pedraza
Dossier
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Los desplazados internos: entre las positividades y los residuos de las márgenes

Juan Ricardo Aparicio
Dossier
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The Kantian Sleep: On the Limits of the “Foucault Effect”

Federico Luisetti
Otras Voces
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Biopolítica y filosofía feminista

Amalia Boyer
Otras Voces
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How to Be a Pervert: A Modest Philosophical Critique of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

Patrick Singy
Otras Voces
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Elogio de la contraconducta

Arnold I. Davidson
Documentos
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Poder, vida y subjetivación

Vanessa Lemm , Miguel Vatter , Benjamin Noys y Gustavo Chirolla
Debate
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La “emergencia” de la sexualidad desde una perspectiva arqueológica. Reseña del libro La aparición de la sexualidad: la epistemología histórica y la formación de conceptos de Arnold I. Davidson

Juan Pablo Arteaga
Lecturas
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Pensar la inactualidad del pensamiento de Michel Foucault en contextos comparados. Reseña del libro Michel Foucault: neoliberalismo y biopolítica de Vanessa Lemm

Alberto Bejarano
Lecturas
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Una lectura de la libertad en Michel Foucault. Reseña del libro Foucault on Freedom de Johanna Oksala

Emilse Galvis
Lecturas
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With thanks to Michael Maidan for drawing my attention to this

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“L’homme après sa mort, Kant après Foucault”
Special Issue of Rue Descartes

Rue Descartes 2012/3 (n° 75). 128 pages.
ISSN : 1144-0821
ISSN en ligne : 2102-5819.
Lien : http://www.cairn.info/revue-rue-descartes-2012-3.htm.

Sommaire

Horizons
De livres considérés à tort comme mineurs
Diogo Sardinha

Corpus
Michel Foucault, philosophe de la liberté ? Sur sa lecture de Kant dans l’Introduction à l’Anthropologie
Jörg Volbers

La thèse complémentaire dans la trajectoire de Foucault
Márcio Alves da Fonseca et Salma Tannus Muchail

L’idée de sensibilité transcendantale dans l’Introduction à l’Anthropologie de Kant
Marco Díaz Marsá

Différence entre l’anthropologie pragmatique et l’anthropologie métaphysique
Diogo Sardinha

Le grondement de la critique du sujet fondateur dans le réveil du sommeil anthropologique
Roberto Nigro

La présence de Descartes et de Kant dans l’œuvre de Foucault
Guilherme Castelo Branco

Parole
L’anthropologie philosophique et l’anthropologie historique en débat
Étienne Balibar, Gunter Gebauer, Roberto Nigro et Diogo Sardinha

Périphéries
Au sujet du terrain – subjectivation et ethnologie
Mathieu Potte-Bonneville

Comment penser le temps présent ? De l’ontologie de l’actualité à l’ontologie sans l’être
Gabriel Rockhill

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